It's time for episode 453 of the Clockwise Podcast from Relay FM, recorded Wednesday, June 1st, 2022.

Clockwise, Four People, For Tech Topics, 30 minutes. Welcome back to clockwise, the tech podcast where time keeps on slipping, slipping, slipping into the future.

My name is Dan Moore, and I'm joined across the internet by my good friend, my pal, my co-host, my dungeon buddy.

It's Micah Surgent.

How are you doing today, Micah? I'm doing well, Dan. I, uh, I too keep slipping, slipping slipping into the future. And it's weird, but we do it. If I may give you a piece of advice,

it is fly like an eagle. Uh, this is of, the show where we invite on two fantastic guests to talk about

four tech topics.

To my left this week, it is a writer and a podcaster at such fine shows as The Rebound.

That's it.

That's the show.

The best of the show. And then there's another one, but the one. As far as fine shows go That's the show. The best of the show.

And then there's another one.

There's another one.

As far as fine shows go, just the rebound for fine shows.

It's John Maltz.

Hi, John.

Well, Dan, I only get to talk to you twice a week, so I'm glad to get to talk to you a third time.

Three days in a row.

Interesting, Dan.

I know you're cheating on me. I thought we talked multiple times a week when I have you on

my Twitter podcast. Hey, I got to go. Well, we get that sorted out. I'll talk about the guest to my left,

who's quickly replacing Dan in my heart. Oh, I kid. But it is the business unicorn herself,

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