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Grammar Girl: For Writers and Language Lovers.

451 GG Impossible Participals

Grammar Girl: For Writers and Language Lovers.

Mignon Fogarty, Inc.

Education, Society & Culture

4.52.9K Ratings

🗓️ 15 January 2015

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Commas Before "Jr."
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Impossible Participles
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0:00.0

Grammar Girl here today we'll talk about Martin Luther King Jr. Day and whether in general

0:05.8

you need a comma before junior, senior, and the third.

0:09.9

We'll see how writers accidentally use participial phrases to give their characters superpowers.

0:15.5

In the United States we celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the third Monday in January.

0:22.2

At least that's the common name for the occasion.

0:25.4

According to the U.S. government printing office style manual, the official name of the

0:30.3

holiday is birthday of Martin Luther King Jr.

0:34.6

Either way, writers have to contend with that tricky junior on the end of the name.

0:39.5

Should you put a comma before it or not?

0:42.3

You do see it both ways, and one reason is that the official name includes a comma.

0:47.8

But many of the major style guides omit the comma from the holiday name and say to omit

0:53.3

a comma is before junior in names in general.

0:56.7

For example, the associated press says not to use a comma before designations such as

1:01.7

junior and senior, and specifically does not include a comma in the name Martin Luther

1:07.1

King Jr. Day.

1:08.7

The Chicago Manual of Style gives the same advice on both friends.

1:13.5

Moving on to these labels in general.

1:16.5

If someone is referred to as the third, you can use either the Roman numeral, ii, or

1:22.3

the Arabic numeral, third after the name.

1:26.0

When speaking a name, you say the third, but when writing a name, you don't include the

1:31.0

word the before the numeral.

1:33.9

Junior, senior, the third, and so on are only used when you're writing someone's full

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