I'm I'm not going to be. Well, welcome to shaken and disturbed, everyone.

It's not just shaken and it's not just disturbed.

It's both.

It's both.

Exactly.

Who could imagine if our podcast was called,

Disturbed?

Just disturbed. Darren, with Darren. Disturbed with John and Darren. Shaken with John and Darren? That could track. I could see us shaken around. I could see a shaken around. Oh, okay. Very good. Yeah. Well, welcome to shaken and disturbed. time Darren Karp, but I'm here with my equally disturbing and shaken podcast host, John Thrasher. Happy belated Thanksgiving. I hope, you know, everyone had a good one. We said that last week, but due to sometimes our recording schedules, I can never remember. So I'm just reiterating. It's fresher for us now than it is by the time people are listening to this. So we're still in Thanksgiving mode, I think, a hangover. Exactly. Wanted to let everyone know, though, that if you can't get enough of John and myself, we have another special thing. So, you know, in the past few weeks, I've talked about my new podcast, Betrayal, with Darren Karp, that John has had a hand in every single episode. So it's not just my

podcast in any sort of way. Well, it is, but thank you. If you're listening to Petrello,

you still get a little John because it's his magic producing in the background. But,

okay, yeah. This last Monday, so, you know, this six days ago Monday, John, you were my co-host, my co-pilot on this week's episode.

And I got to say, because of the case, it's one of my favorite episodes.

Like, teasing that it could be a pet as the witness to this case i don't think it should

be underestimated no and by the way what a tease right like you know there's an animal that has a

has a huge part actually in this case i feel like people may have heard of this case because

i feel like it hit all those headlines back in the day when it was a for sure but But yeah, well, thank you, by the way, for letting me be a part of your show. I mean, yes, I was in the background helping to produce this. I mean, you haven't paid your invoice yet. That's right. I do need to pay you for allowing me to spend more time with you. Thank you for the recognition. Yeah, you're welcome. But it was just another chapter. You know, I was kind of like, I posted about it on social media recently, and there was so much amazing response. We'll get to that, actually, in our listeners shoutouts. So many of you guys listening to Shaken and Disturb went over and listened to Betrayal with Darren Karp, which is amazing. So thank you guys for that. But, you know, I was reflecting a little bit, Darren bit Darren because I was like this is yet another chapter in our ongoing true

crime partnership that has been a success like every step of the way and I'm not

it's trying to toot our own horns here but it's just been fun and it's like you know

when you and I I remember the first time and maybe I'll save some of this for NMR for Patreon but I remember the first time, and maybe I'll save some of this for NMR for

Patreon, but I remember the first time I thought maybe we should be podcasters. You know, we weren't even doing true crime at that time. And I was kind of nervous to ask you to partner with me. I remember you coming to my desk. Yes. Oh, did I? Okay. I don't even remember that. Yeah, it was on the 14th floor when I used to sit on the other side, not where I sat before the pandemic. Remember? It was the other side of 14. I forgot that you sat. That's very esoteric. We can talk about it in an NMR. Well, that's a whole other thing, yeah. And then you, like, cooked me some lasagna and you gave it to me. Remember? Because I was like, you like had...

That's right.

You, like, had lunch or lasagna and you gave it to me. Remember? Because I was like, you like had.

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