Eric Kolbinski tells us how long it took to get Luis Naviyah to admit his true identity.

So they were threatening to cut him up and then that with the fact that I guess I've

any call back and talk to the twins or hadn't he'd already talked to him I guess or whatever,

I even convinced Luis that the twins were going to abandon us still since somebody in here to kill

us. They're not going to get us out, you know, we're done. And so then, you know, he said, okay,

you got me. How long did that take from beginning to end till he finally acquiesces?

Yeah, man, man, it's sad. I don't know, maybe 10 minutes.

Oh, wow. There you go. I think I was already here, but it's more than my persuasion that did

anything. Welcome to Game of Crimes.

They needed somebody to accompany or to go with a customs agent at Houston. He was

bringing a trigger fish in and they weren't going to let the customs guy run around Venezuela by himself.

Because a secret service used to use that a lot too. And it has nothing to do with sheep,

Trotter. It's technology. Or fish. A trigger fish is a device that's used to locate cell phones.

You pick up the signal and through triangulation, et cetera, and also it can intercept the calls.

Yeah, the modern version of those are called the stingrays, the cell rights violators.

Yeah. Yeah. And so we were sent over there to monitor that group that Luis was part of,

in particular, Ivan De La Vega, who was the main transport. He was the guy that brought

Lewis into this deal. And so we were up on, well, on Ivan. And then we got up on Lewis's cell

phone as well as a result of being up on Ivan. So where are you on the bubble net phone at,

in Venezuela or in the US? In Venezuela. No, in Venezuela. We were over there because we were,

you know, actively, you know, at one point wearing the same damn hotel as you know.

So this is back when Venezuela still got along with the United States.

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