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Welcome to the rest of politics leading

with me Rory Stewart and me

Alisto Campbell. And we're very very lucky to have with us today

Dr. Comfort Ero and Dr. Ero is the head of the International Crisis Group and we talk a lot

in the podcast about the challenges of the liberal global order, the way in which

from the 90s we had an age of optimism to an age now where things seem to be disintegrating

around the world.

And Comfort's work and the work of Crisis Group is right at the very heart of this.

This was an organization founded in the mid-1990s, founded because of the catastrophes in the Balkans and Yugoslavia dedicated around the world to producing

incredibly detailed high quality research in conflict zones.

If you wanted to know a few years ago about exactly what

was happening with tribal groups in the northeast of South Sudan you would go to

the crisis group. If you wanted to know exactly what was happening in East Timor in the late 90s you would go to the

crisis group if you wanted to understand the Balkans you'd go to the crisis group and

comfort is the president so she's the boss but she's also been part of the creation of this

organization she was a relatively early employee she led on their programs in West Africa

out of Sierra Leone she then worked for the United Nations Mission in Liberia. She's somebody with a deep academic

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