#446 - Le petite mort (w/ Adam Nayman)

Michael and Us

Luke Savage and Will Sloan

Tv & Film

4.6 • 668 Ratings

🗓️ 25 July 2023

⏱️ 62 minutes

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So, why do they call it "the little death"? Will is joined by film critic Adam Nayman to discuss Claire Denis's transgressive masterpiece TROUBLE EVERY DAY (2001) and how it scandalized film culture circa 2001. PLUS: What is it like to teach the history of satire at a university? Adam Nayman on Twitter - https://twitter.com/brofromanother Adam's books - https://www.abramsbooks.com/contributor/adam-nayman_19289396/

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0:00.0	Welcome to Michael and us. I'm Will Sloan. My regular co-host, Luke Savage, is on break this week. He'll be back soon.
0:22.1	But sitting in, we have a distinguished critic, whose work appears regularly in Cinemascope and the Ringer,
0:28.3	as well as the author of handsome and informed books on Paul Thomas Anderson, the Coen brothers,
0:33.8	and David Fincher, as well as the man who helped lead the reclamation of Paul Verhoeven's
0:39.2	Showgirls. It's Adam Naiman. Thank you for being here. I think handsome and informed is the nicest
0:45.0	podcast intro ever. Very efficient. I appreciate it. When you wrote your book about show girls,
0:51.2	which is titled, It Doesn't Suck and is Still Available.
0:55.0	I believe it was published in 2014, maybe 2013.
0:58.5	And it's funny, the general critical consensus at that time was that it was still a bad movie.
1:03.9	And I saw today that it's on the Criterion Channel.
1:06.4	I feel like one almost has to explain to the younger generation that there was a time when showgirls was
1:11.9	almost universally reviled well each time i've shown the movie i've been lucky enough to speak at
1:19.3	screening to this movie at least at this point six or seven times like with different events around
1:24.4	the book there is always one person usually guess, in their 20s-ish,
1:29.1	who comes up and is like, so why didn't people like this? Right. You know, like not in like a deeply
1:34.2	polemical way or, you know, trying to score some kind of points, but sort of just being like,
1:39.9	I don't, I don't see the problem. Like, I don't see the malfunction here. Like, I guess I had to be there why people didn't like it. Yeah, the arc of the universe bends towards justice, right?
1:48.5	This is maybe a bit of a digression, but last night I had the opportunity to watch a very
1:53.5	acclaimed movie of 15 years ago called The Dark Night. Maybe you've heard of it. Sure. And I have to
2:00.5	say, I did not particularly care for it.
2:04.0	You know, when I was 19 years old, I thought it was very strong. And last night's viewing was
2:10.6	quite a disappointment. And I'm not sure to what extent the movie has changed, to what
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