Hello, it's yet another episode. It's a Saturday one, so what I have in store for you today

is not one of my rambling rants, but well it is sort of that actually because I'm being

interviewed by a long time friend and fellow

youtuber Kelly Coppter. She's interviewed me before about my book

the Psychology of Secrets and she is a former Scientologist. Well, not necessarily part of the Scientology cult so much as her parents were and raised her in the most abusive household you can really imagine.

She grew up in just difficult circumstances.

Couldn't think of a word there, but it was terrible. She came on ages ago when this

podcast was called On the Edge with Andrew Gold and I did a lot more cult stuff so you can

probably find it somewhere if you type into your podcast thing. Kelly copter Andrew Gold, you might find it and

she tells her story there. But today, well look, she's got this audience, so I want you to imagine

while she's asking me questions and things, she has this audience who are very

interested in cults and Scientology andixium and all of these things but

whenever you speak about things that are maybe a bit anti-woke they lose their nut.

So she wanted me to come on because she's so open-minded to speak in a way that might convert a few of those people or at least try to help them understand why some people are against some of the stuff that is happening in the name of virtue.

And to see if they can listen to that without going mad and losing their minds as a Scientologist might let's say. So bear that in mind as you listen. She asks some great questions. We talk about why I do what I do and what she agrees with and all of these things. I hope you enjoy it. Please follow

Kelly Copter on YouTube. I've been writing those of articles, my latest one, has

caused a bit of a flurry because of the title where I basically compare

Kiestarma to Hitler. Now that's Godwin's law that any internet

conversation eventually delves into or any argument on Twitter or social

media will eventually be about the Nazis, but obviously, obviously and I say this in the article,

he's nothing like Hitler,

and he might even be a great Prime Minister, I don't even know.

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