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The Talk Show With John Gruber

445: ‘Apple at 50’, With John Siracusa

The Talk Show With John Gruber

John Gruber

Technology

3.63.6K Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2026

⏱️ 152 minutes

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Summary

Who better to join the show to commemorate Apple’s 50th anniversary than John Siracusa?

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0:00.0

I love having you on, but it always, I don't know.

0:03.2

It feels like having you on.

0:04.4

It's a heavy show, right?

0:05.7

I got to bring my egg.

0:06.6

I got to bring my egg. Why is it so heavy? I don't know. I feel like you're a difficult guest. Yeah. Well, I try. Last time I was on with December, December 2020, 3. It's always it's a bit of a

0:20.8

You got to bring your A game

0:22.4

Because you're going to call me out on anything I'm wrong about

0:24.6

I should December 2023. It's always, it's a bit of a, you got to bring your A game because you're going to call me out on anything I'm wrong about.

0:24.8

I sure am.

0:26.1

And I wouldn't have it any other way.

0:27.7

And I thought, I'm not one for anniversaries.

0:30.5

I'm sort of the anti-Kasey, right?

0:32.1

I don't really mark anniversaries of my own stuff.

0:35.5

And I feel like that is something that I have as a person, an affinity with Apple, the corporation,

0:43.8

where they're not into marking anniversaries that much either.

0:46.6

And they're kind of doing it.

0:47.8

And I kind of even feel like all the 50th stuff they're doing is sort of begrudging.

0:53.5

Well, they haven't been into it, but they seem pretty into the 50th stuff. Right. They're more into the 50th. Yeah, their story is, like, and they're public-facing words. It's like, we're not a company that looks backwards, but we're totally going to do it this time. But even so, they're not really celebrating history. They're just like having concerts.

1:13.3

Yeah, I don't know.

1:14.5

Like the Alicia Keys thing in New York. And I guess they're having, so says German, Paul McCartney,

1:20.1

tomorrow in Cupertino, which is a huge get. I mean, if that's true, I mean, you know,

1:26.0

if German hears it's Paul McCartney,

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