That speaks to something that I've noticed in all of your films really, but especially the more recent, more politically charged ones is this through line of frustration with the way that popular culture is plays a role in obviscating and distracting by by its very

rapidity and that our ability to reckon with the world that's being made around us is being compromised by the fact that our mediated experience of that reality is so trifling and so commercial and easily distracted and based on things like celebrity and spectacle.

But you also work in Hollywood making movies and so do you feel that like do you see that there is a way through that in care and competition do you think that there is a way to to redirect people's like energies through media or would you say at the end of the day it doesn't really matter if it works or not it's still your moral responsibility as an artist to say what is on your mind and in your heart in a given moment.

Yeah, it's a tricky line because you're right, you know, I'm living in Los Angeles where you know billions of dollars of giant media being churned out I mean for instance right now I'm in the set of a commercial I'm shooting for exon and get that money get that money.

I mean you got to you know on one hand I care about man come in but on the other hand you got to get paid.

Now you know it's the book that is a surprising book I read like a year ago was that sapiens if you guys read that no I've heard of it it's it's pretty it's the you've all harrari book and it's about just basically the history of almost sapiens a lot of it's really good but there's one part that was like jaw dropping for me where he singles out that the single thing that separates us from other upright monkeys was our ability the reason we do that is that we're going to be able to do that.

The ability the reason we dominated the other upright monkeys was that we were able to use storytelling and mythology to mobilize more than there's some kind of set number in nature it's like 185 is the number at which animals start to disperse and fight against each other.

But mankind was able to come up with storytelling and mythology to unite millions of homo sapiens for one purpose and he was talking about how they found fossil records where like homo sapiens were battling the Androthals and they would lose like two battles but the third battle they would come back with six times the numbers and the Androthals were like stuck at that number I can't remember exactly what it is and I read this and it just blew me away because I do think what's happening.

I do think what's happened is the common mythology was pretty consciously manipulated and changed and I do think the story of this whole era that we're living in is about information warfare I think it's about advertising marketing coercive you know manipulation and so yeah anyway boy that was a long win today.

I like that I like that marks marks called man the most gregarious animal and this guy says that we are the lying bullshit monkeys I like that yeah yeah I lying bullshit monkeys by the way you can name your autobiography your band your boat anything you want you can name that I'm on board.