440: Building a Strong Marriage - Should It Make Us Holy or Happy with Gary Thomas
The Heart & Hustle Podcast
The Heart University
4.8 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 8 July 2025
⏱️ 63 minutes
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Summary
Today on the Heart and Hustle Podcast Evie and Lindsey are sitting down and chatting with Gary Thomas, a bestselling author and international speaker whose ministry brings people closer to Christ, their spouses, and others. Evie and Lindsey dive right in by asking Gary to elaborate on a central theme of his book, "Sacred Marriage": "What if God designed marriage to make us holy more than to make us happy?". They talk about how many couples may enter marriage with the expectation that it will fulfill and satisfy them emotionally, what Gary would say to those who are currently feeling disillusioned or disappointed in their marriage experience, and what some tangible practices are that they can implement to begin rebuilding trust and emotional intimacy. Gary describes marriage as a refining fire, a context in which God often reveals and shapes our character, and he gives his insights on how couples should respond when they begin to see their own weaknesses or sin more clearly through the relationship. They explore the importance of praying together in a marriage, what simple daily and weekly practices can strengthen marriage and invite God’s presence in the relationship, and so much more on this week’s episode of the Heart and Hustle podcast with Gary Thomas.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to the Heart and Hustle podcast. We are your host, Evie McLeod and Lindsay Roman. |
| 0:06.8 | Man, today, friend, is a no-skip episode. You are not allowed to skip this episode. |
| 0:12.0 | This is a mandatory listen for everyone and all my rebels are going to be like, screw this, I'm clicking off. |
| 0:18.7 | Do not. Every single human being on planet Earth that listens to this show, this is one of the top |
| 0:24.2 | episodes. |
| 0:24.8 | And then send it to your sister, your sister-in-law, your best friend, your mother. |
| 0:29.5 | I don't care. |
| 0:30.2 | Send this. |
| 0:30.5 | Your brother, your best friend, your uncle, your second cousin, twice removed. |
| 0:35.3 | This episode was so powerful and is about to, I truly believe, impact and change your marriage or your future marriage, if you were unmarried at this moment, forever. |
| 0:46.8 | And it was an honor to speak with the guests that we had today. |
| 0:50.4 | So we got to have the incredible Gary Thomas on. |
| 0:53.7 | Now, if you are not familiar with him, |
| 0:55.0 | Gary Thomas is a bestselling author and international speaker whose ministry brings people |
| 0:59.4 | closer to Christ and closer to others. He unites the study of scripture, church history, |
| 1:03.8 | and the Christian classics to foster spiritual growth and deeper relationships within the |
| 1:07.9 | Christian community. Now, I want to clarify, this man is a legend. |
| 1:13.8 | Has written many books. |
| 1:15.3 | Many bestselling books, many books. |
| 1:17.6 | There's probably one, though, that you probably have heard of. |
| 1:20.5 | Heard of even if you haven't read, and that is the book, Sacred Marriage. |
| 1:24.8 | And that's essentially the topic that we brought him on and talked about today. |
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