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Hey Chris, I just did a big hike in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Listen to a bunch of your stuff that's been on the queue for a while and wanted to thank you for all the intimacy that you do share.

And when I listen to your intros from your mom and from your sister, that was what really impressed me.

Of course, there are great interviews and they are great people as are all of your podcasts.

But the things that you said surrounding that were so beautiful and so special and you are right.

Putting your heart out on media is risky and it made so much sense when you said that you hadn't wanted to do that to the people in your life.

Because when you do it for yourself, you choose to take the risk.

But when you bring somebody else into it and you interview them and they're a person that you love and you make a space that feels safe, that makes them talk,

you have to navigate the risk for them because they didn't choose to have a life in the media like you did.

So I just wanted to commend that and thank you again for all the things that you've said recently on the intros.

It's such a tough world right now and you you remind a lot of people that we're not alone.

Thank you for that.

Laurie, that it's very kind of you to say it is a constant struggle between my sort of innate shamelessness and perceived responsibility to be as transparent as I possibly can.

With people like yourself or anyone who's listening to this, who trust me with their attention and I do mean that, there's so many things trying to get your attention right now.

We live in an attention economy. Your attention is the most valuable thing not only to you, but to anyone who's trying to harness that attention in order to monetize it so they can sell you shit or they can sell ads, which is what makes the world go round at the moment.

But you know, we've got a super spreader in chief who's only discernible skill is attracting and holding attention.

And so, you know, the fact that thousands of people decide on a weekly basis to give me an hour or two of their time and attention is something I take very seriously.

And I guess I feel a responsibility to be as transparent and honest with you as I possibly can.

And that runs into stickiness when it involves other people, especially people that I'm very close to and, you know, for whom I feel very protective.

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