438: Jan Jekielek—The Terrible Truth About China
The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe
The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe
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🗓️ 27 May 2025
⏱️ 89 minutes
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Summary
Jan Jekielek is a senior editor with The Epoch Times and host of “American Thought Leaders.” He has extensively covered the issue of forced organ harvesting in China, particularly concerning Falun Gong practitioners. It is estimated that 60,000 to 100,000 organs annually have been involuntarily extracted from political prisoners in China. Jan’s investigative work has brought international attention to this human rights atrocity.
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| 0:00.0 | Hey guys, it's Mike Rowe likewise, you hate when I correct you. |
| 0:21.5 | I do hate that a lot, too. So we did cut that out. You know what? There's something here to hate for |
| 0:25.3 | everyone. Except for Jan, who is a terrific guy, he works for the epoch times. Sure. Let's go with |
| 0:33.7 | epoch. Were you like epoch? I think what he said was epoch? |
| 0:37.7 | Yeah, epoch or? |
| 0:39.0 | Oh, God, here we go again. |
| 0:40.5 | Because whatever it is, I called them the Epic Times for like five years. |
| 0:44.2 | That's what their advertising says, I believe. |
| 0:46.1 | I think it does too. |
| 0:47.1 | Yeah. |
| 0:47.6 | Well, look, we don't spend a lot of time talking about pronunciations in this episode, but we do spend |
| 0:52.8 | some because the language matters an awful lot. |
| 0:55.7 | And the Epoch Times interviewed me years ago. And I met Jan, who does a terrific series called |
| 1:03.1 | American Thought Leaders. Yes. And he's also the senior editor over there at the Epoch, |
| 1:08.1 | or the Epoch, or the Epic Times. I've been wanting to have him on here for a while because I didn't really give these guys the |
| 1:15.9 | credit I think they deserved for creating a really fantastic, journalistic enterprise. |
| 1:24.1 | They really have put their money where their mouth is. |
| 1:26.5 | And there's not a ton of money to go around. |
| 1:28.4 | It's a subscription-based model. But this newspaper, unlike the journal or the New York Times, or really |
| 1:35.1 | any of the newspaper I can think of, began like 20 years ago in Georgia. And it was published |
| 1:43.1 | entirely in Chinese. in Chinese for an American |
| 1:47.2 | Chinese audience yeah yeah yeah because well some of you were old enough to |
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