Hi, I'm Sarah. And I'm Helen. And this is the Squiggly Careers podcast. Every week we talk about a

different topic to do with work and share some ideas and some actions that we hope will help

all of us just navigate this squiggly careers that we all find ourselves in with that bit more

confidence and control.

And today we're going to be talking about how to plan your pivot.

And this is a topic that we have talked about before, but it was way back in August 2018, where like pre-pandemic, I feel like pivots were considered, but perhaps not forced upon

many of us. And actually, when you look into the data on pivots, lots more people are now interested and open to, to sort of pivots, which I see actually is a

sort of sign of squiggly career success. You know that people are actually able now to consider

and talk about doing something different than they've always done. I think that's great.

We're having those conversations. But when we talked about it

before the context of that episode was Sarah and I were sort of sharing some of our career

pivots. I was still at Microsoft then and we were talking about it. So yeah, I was the managing

director for creative agency with a one year old. I don't remember I don't remember living 2018 if

I'm honest. I don't know how much I'd want to go back and listen to that episode.

Well, listeners, should you wish to, please do, but we won't. But yeah, that was the context at times.

We were showing some of our own experiences and talking about some of the considerations when you're maybe thinking about a pivot.

Today is going to be quite a lot more practical. I would say we've got a process

so that you can kind of walk through it step by step if you're thinking, actually I would

like to make a pivot. This does definitely feel like something that I want to do. I just don't

quite know how to do it. And so as Helen said, we aren't really going to talk about sort of

the feelings and the emotions that go with pivoting, which are very real and at times can be very hard.

I think pivoting, you know, you can sort of get pivot fatigue. I was reading some research before today about, you know, people talking about, you know, they've been trying to make a pivot happen and it feels like it stalled or got stuck or perhaps it feels like it stopped and then it started a bit

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