This is Jocko Podcast Number 434 with Eco Charles and me Jocko Willing.

Good evening, Echo. Also joining us tonight is Dave Burke. Good evening, Dave.

Good evening.

So there are two brutal conflicts going on in the world right now.

Well, there's more than that, but there's two that are very prominent.

One in Ukraine between Ukraine and Russia, and then obviously in Gaza and in in and around Israel as well.

And the term war crimes comes up quite a bit and we all now look at social media in the news

and there's a lot of speculation about war crimes that are going on or allegedly going on or possibly going on or they

could be occurring on the ground in both these wars. And I'm not on the ground either of those wars obviously right now. I haven't been on the ground in either of those places, but I have been on the ground in another war.

And I heard speculations about war crimes in that war. And this is in Iraq.

Dave, obviously that's one of the reasons I wanted to bring you in today because you are also on the ground in Iraq.

And so looking at it now when I hear all these

when I hear the term war crime get thrown around and used it seems like a good thing to try and understand what that looks like on the ground.

And I can understand, you know, where some of these speculations come about, some of these rumors

come about.

And it's really clear when you look at social media.

And there's pictures, images that get put up

that are 22 years old or 14 years old or 7 years old

from different locations. These things are happening, but they're really not happening at all.

And then in other cases, there's clear that horrible things are happening.

So again, I don't want to speculate about what's happening on the ground right now

and either one of these wars, if I was going to come on here and talk about them, you know what I do is actually I would go there.

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