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Grammar Girl: For Writers and Language Lovers.

431 GG Words That Aren't Words

Grammar Girl: For Writers and Language Lovers.

Mignon Fogarty, Inc.

Education, Society & Culture

4.52.9K Ratings

🗓️ 28 August 2014

⏱️ 12 minutes

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In this podcast, you get a Quick and Dirty Tip about where to put periods and commas relative to quotation marks, an excerpt from Ammon Shea's book "Bad English," and a tidbit about a 1921 poem called "Alphabet of Errors." Read the transcript: http://bit.ly/1v0iNsF

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0:00.0

Grammar Girl here. This week I have a quick and dirty tip about where you put periods and

0:05.1

commas relative to quotation marks. An excerpt from a Munchet's book, Bad English, about

0:11.3

people who have successfully and not so successfully made up words. And a tidbit about what constituted

0:18.2

a grammar error in 1921. A few days ago, Daniel from Ohio wrote in asking if I would do a refresher

0:26.4

on when to put periods and commas inside quotation marks. It's one of the most common punctuation

0:32.3

questions I get and there's a reason everyone is confused. The rules in American English

0:38.0

are different from the rules in British English. So if you regularly read American and British

0:44.0

publications like say maybe the BBC and CNN websites, you'll see it done in different ways.

0:50.7

In American English, we use a hard and fast rule that was supposedly designed by

0:54.6

composers to protect the tiny commas and periods. We always put periods and commas inside the

1:02.0

closing quotation mark. In British English, they use rules that require the writer to determine

1:07.7

whether the period or comma belong with the quotation or are part of the larger sentence.

1:14.5

Early champions of this logical system were H. W. Fowler and F. G. Fowler, who wrote the classic 1906

1:23.2

British usage guide, the King is English. In it, the brothers noted that they were in conflict with

1:29.3

the compositors, but they believed their system was the best. Don't we all? It appears that they won

1:36.8

their battle in the UK, but not in the US. In short, my US centric memory trick is to remember that

1:44.9

inside the US periods and commas go inside the closing quotation mark. If you want to know about

1:52.5

mixing other punctuation marks with quotation marks, search my website for quotation marks with

1:58.2

periods and commas. That article on quick and dirty tips.com has information about other punctuation

2:04.0

marks too. And that was your quick and dirty tip. Before we go on, I have a PIVORS announcement.

2:10.7

I've mailed nearly all the rewards from the crowdfunding project, but there were a few people for

2:15.2

whom we don't have a complete address and who we haven't been able to reach. Kimberly from

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