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Welcome back to another episode of more from Sam. Hi, Sam. How are you? Good to see you.

Here's me, more of me. Yeah, there's a reminder. The goal of this series is to get more from Sam more often and since we've been getting a lot more of you lately, Sam. We haven't had an episode for a while.

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And one more announcement quickly. Sam currently has five shows on sales, Seattle, San Jose,

New York, Boston, and Chicago. I think Boston is sold out. There might be a few remaining tickets

in New York, and you can find all the details and ticket links at samharris.org. Okay, onto our first topic. Is it fair to say that what concerns you most

about Trump is what's yet to come? What happens to our country after Trump? What happens to our

democracy going forward? No, no, I'm concerned about what's already happened. I think our democracy has eroded to an

impressive degree that that's a few people right of center seem prepared to acknowledge. I think when

you have senators and Congress people not voting their conscience in the aftermath of January 6th,

because they're afraid they might be killed or their families might be

killed, something has gone wrong with our democracy, right? That's a very new spot on the map,

and it's quite close to tyranny, frankly. So, and that's years ago, right? That's where we're,

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