This week, Kate Muir is on my podcast for the third time,

and it's another great conversation talking about how we've worked together

to improve awareness and knowledge about hormones

and why some people are not so happy about the work that we've done.

So I hope you enjoy listening to our conversation today.

Kate, this is the third time you've been on my podcast.

I don't think anyone else has been on three times.

Well, that's because you've had such an effect on my life, Louise News.

And I wouldn't be here and I wouldn't be a men and pause campaigner.

If I hadn't come to consult with you in 2019 and gone away very politicised after having

been just a patient. So it made a big huge difference to me realizing that this was a massive

topic. In fact, it was a great story. So, yeah, it was an amazing consultation, actually. We've

spoken about it before, but for those of you that don't know, Kate is a patient or has been a patient.

And you were quite straightforward.

You'd had a difficult time because you'd been given the wrong type of hormones from somebody else.

And so actually, after about 15, 20 minutes, you knew what was going on.

So I remember spending the rest of the time just like

telling you about how awful it was and how terrible things were for women and about some of the

evidence, especially the evidence of the newer body identical hormones compared to synthetic,

some of the debunking of the Women's Health Initiative, WHOHI study. And I remember you just saying,

I'm an investigative journalist.

I didn't know this.

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