This is the Baymaw podcast with Marty Solomon. I'm his co-host, Brent Billings. Today we're

joined by Catherine McNeil, an author of speaker and a hospital chaplain who likes to mingle

theology with real life on the ground. She's an MDiv student at North Park Seminary

and the author of Fearing Bravely,

which we'll be discussing today. Catherine and her husband live in the Chicago suburbs where she

cares for three kids, two jobs, and one enormous garden. She's on the lookout for wisdom,

beauty, and iced coffee, which are things that I'm not, I mean, wisdom and beauty shirt,

iced coffee, not so much so

I love that little bit of color that I got in the intro Catherine but welcome to the show

well thank you I'm so happy to be here with you too and I would invite you to add any more color

to the the simple sketch that I've offered here tell us a little bit of the finer things about your

life or your family or whatever you want to share. Well, absolutely. Life is very full for me right now.

I've got three teenagers. So there is no end of, there's no end of something going on.

My oldest is 18 and in his senior year.

Another thing that keeps our lives very full is we have.

It's that enormous garden that you mentioned in the bio.

It's probably more enormous than the average listener is imagining.

We typically plant about 170 tomato plants alone each year.

Oh, my goodness.

And I would defy you to list a vegetable.

We have not at least attempted to grow.

So it is between teenagers and plants.

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