skill number 13 is empathy and I think if you don't have empathy you limit your learning and when

you see the world through other people's eyes and you understand different people's perspectives

you also build better relationships and we had a brilliant guy on the podcast previously called

Roman Krasnarek who's written a book on empathy and who talks a lot about empathy and how

useful it is in terms of just increasing our awareness and actually to impact our actions as well

so that we don't just keep doing what we think is the right thing to do. And he has this great

quote and he's a philosopher, quite a practical philosopher, but he is a philosopher. So you can,

I think you can hear that in this quote. He says, empathy is the art of stepping imaginatively

into the shoes of another person and understanding their feelings and perspectives and using

that understanding to guide your own

actions. For those you who do listen to the podcast, you will know I am a big Roman fan.

And so his work has really influenced me. Actually, even when he first started talking about jobs,

he wrote a great book about fulfillment at work and all about kind of the history of work.

And I'm not sure we would have even got some of the things on Squiggly without him.

So I do fangirl him a little bit and read everything that he does.

He once did a crowd funder, you know, for one of his books.

So my name is in one of his books.

That's my clove to fame.

I love that you love that.

I do love that.

I've got it on my bookshelf makes you really happy.

So Helen, practically...

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