I am here with Haviv Retic Gur, Haviv. Thanks for coming on the podcast.

Thank you for having me, Sam. It's good to be here.

We were just talking offline that we could be interrupted because you were in the middle of a war.

It's got to be intense over there. So you, so you and I had, we scheduled this podcast

some weeks before Israel struck Iran, and so, and we had too much to talk about even then,

but now, now we have the current front in the war to talk about. So let's just jump in.

I mean, many people will be aware of your work because you have been to my ear the most eloquent spokesman

and journalists covering what is happening in Israel and both factually and just the moral logic

of the war in Gaza. But how do you summarize your work as a journalist at this point?

First of all, it's a thank you.

It's an honor.

I have had two hats.

I've been a professional working journalist since 2005, but I had the side hustle as a history

teacher, whether it's in English for American college students visiting Israel, I've spoken

to.

We once estimated something like 8,000 of them over the last 15 years and Israeli pre-military

academies and other informal frameworks. And when the war happened, something very strange

happened, which was that I have these lectures online. I have these lectures that some colleges

put on YouTube. And they went insanely viral.

And suddenly everybody really, there was this hunger for the deep explanations.

Nobody here is stupid.

Nobody here is a moral cartoon, even if some Westerners insist on making us so, whether

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