421: ‘The Ratchet of Flippancy’, With Craig Mod

The Talk Show With John Gruber

John Gruber

Technology

3.8 • 3.6K Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2025

⏱️ 113 minutes

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Summary

Craig Mod returns to the show to discuss his splendid new book, *Things Become Other Things*. Other topics include creating with AI tools (including programming), social media permanence vs. ephemerality, and more.

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0:00.0	What are you drinking there?
0:01.2	I've got so many coffees.
0:02.8	I've got normal water, sparkling water.
0:04.9	I've got fancy coffee, hot coffee.
0:07.3	Well, that was hot.
0:08.1	And then I've got fancy cold brew coffee.
0:10.5	I believe, am I correct here that you have not been on the show in four years?
0:16.1	At least, yeah, four or five.
0:17.7	This is me being a derelict host of a show because I think of Craig Mod as somebody,
0:26.1	ah, Craig's on the show once a year.
0:28.1	Yeah.
0:28.6	Like clockwork.
0:30.1	Yeah.
0:30.5	And then I'm like, well, I should double check.
0:32.1	When was the last time he was on?
0:33.4	And then I look and it says 2021.
0:35.9	And I'm like, did I miss an episode?
0:37.8	Is there something not there?
0:39.7	No, I think that's it, 2021.
0:42.2	Well, let's pretend that I'm not a rude host who didn't invite you back in four years
0:48.2	because I would like to have you on all the time.
0:51.5	How are things going?
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