The Hello everybody I have Jocko I have Jocko willing here with me today.

Most of you watching and listening,

will know who Jocko is.

He's ex-Navy seal.

Very broad social media following.

Talented author of children's books and entrepreneur.

We've spoken a number of times in the past and that's always gone really well.

The conclusions that he's drawn as a consequence of his vast experience in the military

and on the entrepreneurship front dovetail very well with what I've learned as a consequence of working as a clinician and a professor and in the entrepreneurial space over all these decades.

We talked about leadership and ethics,

and I would say about invitational leadership and ethics,

and fleshed out a landscape of description about leadership that makes it not so much a matter

of top-down command and order, but of bottom-up formulation of shared vision

and shared goals supplemented by continual communication.

And we also talked a lot about the pleasure of mentorship,

which is a form of fatherhood, I would say,

and the fact that people, men particularly in relationship to

fatherhood, have a vested interest and instinctual tilt towards developing the best in other people and that that's a much

better way of viewing the manner in which proper hierarchies are structured than one that relies on the assumption

that people are fundamentally motivated by power.

Maybe the best of us is motivated by the opportunity to serve the best in other people.

And I really think that that's a possibility,

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