Modern ideas about freedom are not setting people free.

Catholics are debating what to do about it.

Our arena is next.

Hello, welcome to Focus the Catholic Cancer Podcast

for living, understanding, and defending your Catholic faith.

I'm Psy Kelly, your host.

First things is a big deal.

It has had a huge effect on culture in recent decades,

and it is one of the places that religious people go.

And in some cases, non-religious people go

for thinking about the relationship of religion and public life.

It's editor, it's publisher nowadays,

is our arena.

He's in the kind of standing on the shoulders of giants.

I'm sure he would say it was founded by Father Richard John Newhouse,

a true giant.

And one of the debates that's been going on

within the pages of first things,

and spilling from those pages out into the wider world,

certainly out into the wider Catholic world,

is a debate about modern.

Modern ideas about liberty, modern liberalism,

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