#420 – Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy
Lex Fridman Podcast
Lex Fridman
4.7 • 13K Ratings
🗓️ 22 March 2024
⏱️ 193 minutes
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OUTLINE:
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(00:00) - Introduction
(07:37) - Nuclear war
(12:21) - Launch procedure
(18:00) - Deterrence
(21:34) - Tactical nukes
(30:59) - Nuclear submarines
(33:59) - Nuclear missiles
(41:10) - Nuclear football
(50:17) - Missile interceptor system
(54:34) - North Korea
(1:01:10) - Nuclear war scenarios
(1:10:02) - Warmongers
(1:14:31) - President's cognitive ability
(1:20:43) - Refusing orders
(1:28:41) - Russia and Putin
(1:33:48) - Cyberattack
(1:35:09) - Ground zero of nuclear war
(1:39:48) - Surviving nuclear war
(1:44:06) - Nuclear winter
(1:54:29) - Alien civilizations
(2:00:04) - Extrasensory perception
(2:13:50) - Area 51
(2:17:48) - UFOs and aliens
(2:28:15) - Roswell incident
(2:34:55) - CIA assassinations
(2:53:47) - Navalny
(2:56:12) - KGB
(3:02:48) - Hitler and the atomic bomb
(3:06:52) - War and human nature
(3:10:17) - Hope
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | The following is a conversation with Annie Jacobson, an investigative journalist, |
| 0:04.8 | Pulitzer Prize finalist, and author of several amazing books on war, weapons, |
| 0:11.6 | government secrecy, and national security, including the books titled Area |
| 0:16.3 | 51, Operation Paper Clip, The Pentagon's Brain, Phenomena, Surprise Kill Vanish, and her new book, Nuclear War. |
| 0:27.0 | And now a quick few second mention of each sponsor, check them out in the description. |
| 0:32.0 | It is the best way to support this podcast. We got Hidden |
| 0:35.3 | Laird for securing your neural networks as one must. Better help for securing your mind. Policy Genius for Securing your insurance on all fronts and NetSuite for |
| 0:47.4 | Securing the awesomeness of your business. See what I did there? She was wisely my my friends. Also if you want to get in touch |
| 0:54.8 | with me for whatever reason including to work with our amazing team go to Lex Foodman |
| 0:58.7 | com slash contact. And now onto the full ad reads as as always no ad in the middle. |
| 1:03.5 | I try to make these interesting but, friends, if you skip them, if you must, |
| 1:08.8 | I shall forgive you in this life or the next, both this life and the next I will forgive you. |
| 1:15.0 | But you still check out the sponsors and I enjoy their stuff, maybe you will too. |
| 1:19.0 | This episode is brought to you by Hidden Layer, a platform that provides security for your machine learning models. |
| 1:28.0 | This episode with Andy Jacobson is terrifying on many fronts. |
| 1:34.1 | It's terrifying because you get to see |
| 1:36.4 | just how close we are to the brink of self-destruction, |
| 1:40.0 | just how few people are involved in saying yes launch nuclear war. |
| 1:46.0 | Just how easy it is for little mistakes, |
| 1:49.2 | little misunderstandings to lead to nuclear war. And on this point of hidden layer of cyber security |
| 1:56.6 | just how easy it is to hack a system that creates misinformation that results in nuclear war. |
| 2:06.7 | Cybersecurity, the attack and the defense, is really the story of the 21st century. |
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