For over 100 years, the National Park Service has maintained and protected some of America's

greatest treasures. Since its founding in 1916, the service has enjoyed broad support from the

public as well as elected officials from both parties. Recently, however, the Trump administration

has turned on the service for what it alleges or attempts to undermine the president, but its

moves to silence the National

Park Service may have inadvertently made park employees early leaders in the resistance to the new

president. Was the National Park Service attempting to provoke Trump with its social media,

or was it simply following a course set long before? And is the current president's animosity

towards the parks an entirely new development, or have we seen similar moments in the past?

In this episode of The Road to Now, we speak with former National Park Service Director John Jarvis to find out.

I'm Bob Crawford.

And I'm Ben Sawyer and this is the road to now.

Well, Ben, we are a week into the Trump presidency and I think anyone who thought he was going

to pivot or change his behavior or become presidential or stop tweeting or stopped acting

like a two-year-old is seeing that

Trump is Trump and he's not going to change. Yeah, I think this makes us go back on the whole

saying after the election was that conservatives took Trump seriously but not literally

and liberals took him literally but not seriously.

I think the lesson now is that we all need to take him both seriously and literally.

And I think that we are seeing that start to happen.

And the last week has been a really big week in terms of what he's tried to do to reshape the country.

And I think a lot of people felt dark this last week seeing these things happen.

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