Hello and welcome to the psychology podcast with Dr Scott Barry Kaufman where we give

you insights into the mind brain behavior and creativity. Each episode will feature a

new guest who will stimulate your mind and give you a greater understanding of yourself, others, and the world we live in.

Hopefully we'll also provide a glimpse into human possibility.

Thanks for listening and enjoy the podcast. Today we have the great Glenn gear on the show. I'm really excited to introduce Glenn. Glenn is a long time friend and mentor I would say and officially he's the professor and chair of the psychology department as well as Director of the Evolutionary Studies program at the State University of New York and Newpalt.

What else can I say about Glenn since this is the personal interview?

Glenn is a great guitarist in the band Questionable Authorities, which will put up a link on

YouTube for, and he also, his life motto is Life is Short, Play Hard.

Welcome, Glenn.

Awesome, thank you so much Scott. It's great to be here.

Yeah, what a life motto. You know I'm all about the value of play, right?

Absolutely.

Have you personally looked at the evolutionary basis of Plato?

I've run into some of the stuff on that and Peter Gray's work.

You know, he studies education from an evolutionary perspective and that's a huge focus of what he says our ancestors really

were all about particularly during childhood you know and that distinction between play and

schooling and education really isn't so distinct when you look at how these

things play out and in pre-Westernized or more natural kinds of societies.

Yeah, no I absolutely

of your career is very interesting.

You didn't necessarily start out as an evolutionary psychologist.

You did work on social psychology with Jack Mayer, is that right?

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