People without cars, that does exist in L.A. And it's almost always disabled or elderly people who are

dying in these fires. There's a few examples of people who decided to stay behind and try to save

their home. And what looked to have happened is they just, the fire jumped and overwhelmed them

quickly and they couldn't get out.

Hello and welcome to best case, worst case.

This is Jim Clementi, retired FBI profile of former New York City Prosecutor, writer-producer of Criminal Minds and Bluebeard on Audible.

And with me today is...

Hi, everybody.

It's Francie Hakes, former state and federal prosecutor.

Jim, it's great to see you it's been a

couple of weeks because we recorded and then you went on some outrageous you know safari trip to a

volcano or something and leaving me behind here in the cold i think you were somewhere tropical

i was not. I was dealing

with almost four inches of snow here in Atlanta. Wow. Well, you know, I don't know why people live

in places where it's still snow, so I'm just not that kind of person. Well, it almost never does,

but I can tell you this. My husband and I at one point thought we were going to move to Montana,

which is just an incredibly beautiful state. And all I can tell you this. My husband and I at one point thought we were going to move to Montana, which is just an incredibly beautiful state.

And all I can say now is, thank God, we didn't find the piece of property we wanted because, yeah, I can't. I just can't take the cold.

It's been like 20 here, and I've been dying.

But it was like in the 60s recently there, the middle of the winter.

It's been around and around.

But regardless, it's great to see you.

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