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The Ultimate Health Podcast

419: How to Free Yourself From Pain and Suffering | Byron Katie

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Jesse Chappus

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4.51.5K Ratings

🗓️ 13 July 2021

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

Watch the full video interview on YouTube here: https://bit.ly/byronkatie419

In 1986, at the bottom of a ten-year spiral into depression and self-loathing, Byron Katie (IG: @byron.katie) woke up one morning in a state of joy. She realized that when she believed her stressful thoughts, she suffered, but that when she questioned them, she didn’t suffer, and that this is true for every human being.

Her simple yet powerful process of self-inquiry, which she calls The Work, consists of four questions and the turnaround, which is a way of experiencing the opposite of what you believe.

Katie has been bringing The Work to millions of people for more than thirty years. Her books, public events, weekend workshops, intensives, and nine-day School for The Work have brought freedom to people all over the world.

In this episode, we discuss:

  • Katie suffering from depression for 10 years after her divorce
  • How the “Judge Your Neighbour” worksheet can help you
  • Katie's awakening back in 1986
  • Seeing how the world was created
  • The reality of awareness
  • How the people in Katie’s life responded to her epiphany
  • Using self-inquiry as a way to identify and question thoughts
  • How Katie pulled her life back together after her depression
  • Doing “The Work”
  • Meeting her husband, Stephen Mitchell
  • A cockroach was a symbol of awareness
  • What is earth school?
  • An example of the four questions and turnarounds
  • Being wide open to suffering
  • Waiting for proof of past/future
  • Illusion is another word for memory
  • God is everyone and everything without exception
  • Love isn’t something you can teach, it’s in us all
  • War is an egoic state of mind
  • Meditation is a beautiful way to rest
  • Everyone is present
  • AT HOME with Byron Katie
  • It’s never too late

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Related links:

Byron Katie - Loving What Is (book)

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Byron Katie (books)

Judge Your Neighbour (worksheet)

AT HOME with Byron Katie (podcast)

Stephen Mitchell (books)

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Dr. Caroline Leaf on Eliminating Anxiety, Depression, and Intrusive Thoughts by Managing Your Mind (#402)

381: Dr. Dan Siegel – The Mind Is Broader Than The Brain

296: Dr. Joe Dispenza – Becoming Supernatural, Reprogram Your Mind, Trust Your Intuition

282: don Miguel Ruiz – The Three Questions • Stop Believing Your Thoughts • Normal vs. Irrational Fear

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Coming up on the Ultimate Health podcast.

0:02.5

From the floor, the laughter that came out,

0:05.3

I don't know how many years in time.

0:08.6

It had been since I think that was probably

0:11.7

the most authentic, deepest laugh I've ever experienced.

0:15.4

It's like I got the joke.

0:18.0

I got the key to what we call life.

0:21.8

Hello and welcome to Ultimate Health podcast, episode 419.

0:31.6

I'm Jesse Chapis and I'm here to take your health to the next level.

0:35.0

Each week I'll bring you deep conversations with health and wellness leaders from around

0:38.7

the world.

0:39.7

This week I'm chatting with Byron Katie.

0:41.7

In 1986, at the bottom of a 10-year spiral into depression and self-loathing, Byron Katie

0:46.9

woke up one morning in a state of joy.

0:49.1

She realized that when she believed her stressful thoughts, she suffered, but that when

0:52.7

she questioned them, she didn't suffer, and that this is true for every human being.

0:57.4

Her simply a powerful process of self-inquiry, which she calls the work, consists of four

1:01.8

questions in the turnaround, which is a way of experiencing the opposite of what you believe.

1:06.7

Katie has been bringing the work to millions of people for more than 30 years.

1:11.2

Her books, public events, weekend workshops, intensives, and nine-day school, the work,

1:16.7

have brought freedom to people all over the world.

1:20.0

Highlights of our conversation include, what is their school, being wide open to suffering,

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