#418 – Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris
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🗓️ 14 March 2024
⏱️ 305 minutes
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EPISODE LINKS:
Mouin's X: https://x.com/MouinRabbani
Mouin's Podcast: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLkT5TSHWFSYKY_6vrNn_vZAmfunA_s9g
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Benny's Books: https://amzn.to/3Vf7NNU
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Norman's X: https://x.com/normfinkelstein
Norman's Website: https://www.normanfinkelstein.com/
Norman's Books: https://amzn.to/3IqouxU
Knowing Too Much (excerpt): https://jumpshare.com/v/8EUbbP40Do44ITDfJUoR
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Destiny's YouTube: https://youtube.com/destiny
Destiny's X: https://x.com/TheOmniLiberal
Destiny's Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/
Destiny's Website: https://destiny.gg
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OUTLINE:
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(00:00) - Introduction
(12:11) - 1948
(1:10:43) - Partition
(2:15:16) - October 7
(3:09:27) - Gaza
(3:36:02) - Peace
(4:40:47) - Hope for the future
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | The following is a debate on the topic of Israel and Palestine, |
| 0:03.2 | with Norman Finkelstein, Benny Morris, |
| 0:06.2 | Muian Rabbani and Stephen Bonnell, |
| 0:08.1 | also known online as Destiny. |
| 0:10.2 | Norm and Benny are historians. |
| 0:13.0 | Wayne is a Middle East analyst and Stephen is a political commentator and streamer. |
| 0:18.0 | All four have spoken and debated extensively on this topic. |
| 0:22.0 | The goal for this debate was not for anyone to win or to |
| 0:26.5 | score points. It wasn't to get views or likes. I never care about those. |
| 0:33.0 | And I think there are probably much easier words to get those things if I did care. |
| 0:38.7 | The goal was to explore together the history, present, and future of Israel Palestine, in a free-flowing conversation, |
| 0:46.1 | no time limits, no rules. |
| 0:49.6 | There was a lot of tension in the room from the very beginning and it only got more intense as we went along. |
| 0:56.0 | And I quickly realized that this very conversation in a very real human way was a microcosm of the tensions and distance and perspectives on the topic of Israel and Palestine. |
| 1:09.0 | For some debates, I will step in and moderate strictly to prevent emotion from boiling. |
| 1:14.9 | For this, I saw the value in not interfering with the passion of the exchanges, because that emotion |
| 1:20.4 | in itself spoke volumes. We did talk about the history and the future, but the anger, |
| 1:27.6 | the frustration, the biting wit, and at times respect and camaraderie were all there. |
| 1:35.0 | Like I said, we did it in an |
| 1:38.0 | perhaps all-too-human way. |
| 1:40.0 | I will do more debates and conversations on these difficult topics and I will |
| 1:45.1 | continue to search for hope in the midst of death and destruction to search for |
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