The Hello everybody I'm talking today with Ben Shapiro. Ben and I have had

occasion to speak privately and publicly a number of times and he participated in the

exodus seminar that we released last year and we've been able to deepen and

extend and extend the

and extend the dimensions of our conversation as we've progressed.

Today, I'm going to talk to him about the counter-enlightment,

the realization across many disciplines that empiricism and rationality

are insufficient processes and modes of conceptualization

to orient us in the world.

I think that's an established fact now,

and it's a revolutionary fact,

means that we see the world through a story.

And so Ben and I are going to talk about just exactly what that means.

Not least about the fact that the left in particular, the radical left has insisted that the

fundamental story that the world should be viewed

through and is inevitably viewed through is one of power that leads to the

victim-victimizer narrative that characterized Marxism and that now so bitterly characterizes

whatever the hell it is that we have in front of us now.

This demented pastiche of postmodernism and kind of meta-Marxism that makes everyone either a victim or a victimizer.

We talk about that in detail and so if you're interested in that then this is the talk for you.

So happy new year, Ben.

Hey, thank you.

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