Hello there, good listener. I am your host, Nick Stumbo, and you are listening to The Pure Desire

podcast, your biblically based and clinically informed approach to healing from betrayal and breaking

free from compulsive sexual behaviors. Today is episode 416 and here joining me throughout this series is my co-host.

Mrs. Ashley, Jameson, Ashley, welcome back one more time for this series.

Hello, I'm happy to be here. It's a good episode today with our friends.

It is. It's always fun when we get to do kind of a roundtable with other PD staff and Heather

Colb and Robert Vandemir are two of our favorites. They've been on the podcast many times before,

but we got to interview them today because they are two of the featured speakers at our

upcoming summit, which is themed Anchored in Hope. And anchored in hope has been our podcast

theme for these last four episodes. Today is the last one. So tell us a little bit about what

listeners might expect from today's conversation about being anchored in hope with Bob and Heather.

I think I think there's a lot of discussion today, just practical examples. I mean, if you're on the

outside or or you haven't stepped into any kind of pure desire process, you might want to

like have some feet and some language or, you know, like practical things put to having hope,

because that feels very elusive. And I think we gave a few examples today to show

that we're not a ministry or an organization that just says, have more hope, pray more,

have more hope. Like that kind of falls in the same category. And I think Bob and Heather both do

a really good job explaining what that means and what that

could actually look like to be able to hang on to hope and have hope.

And then they give a glimpse into what the summit's like.

So it can be hard to pull the trigger on something like paying for tickets and like tickets

to get in registration and plain tickets and

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