416: ‘A Professional Internet User’, With Vlad Prelovac

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John Gruber

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3.8 • 3.6K Ratings

🗓️ 24 December 2024

⏱️ 153 minutes

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Kagi founder and CEO Vlad Prelovac joins the show to talk about the business of web search, the thinking behind Kagi’s own amazing search engine, and their upstart WebKit-based browser Orion.

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0:00.0	Vlad Prelawatz, welcome to the talk show. I am very excited to have you here.
0:07.2	My immense pleasure to be with you. John. All right. Now, you are the CEO of the company is
0:16.4	Khagi.com, correct? Yes, Kagi is the correct pronunciation.
0:21.9	Oh, Kagi with a hard G.
0:23.4	So I got your surname correct, but.
0:26.6	Yes.
0:27.2	It's exactly for key.
0:29.7	Well, let's, we'll come back to that, but Kagi is best known for primarily two projects,
0:35.6	and we will get into both.
0:37.2	But there's kagi.com, which is an alternative independent search engine,
0:43.5	and Orion, which is a web kit-based web browser,
0:48.7	sort of appear to Safari for a Mac, iPhone, iPad.
0:55.3	Correct. Yes.
0:56.6	Those are the two main products here.
0:59.4	All right.
1:00.3	Now, we have to go back to the pronunciation of Kagi.
1:03.6	Because I have been a Mac user for a very long time. You two? Yeah, but not as long as you.
1:15.3	Okay. But in the 90s, when at the beginning of the 90s, the only way to distribute software effectively, I mean, there was technically an internet, but primarily it was all on
1:28.7	discs and commercial software was something you would go to a store and buy in a box. And in
1:35.3	the early 90s, again, it was before CDs, you'd get floppy disks. And shareware would be distributed
1:42.7	by like word of mouth.
1:45.1	And your friends would, you know, you'd exchange floppy disks.
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