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What's up, friends? Welcome back to the podcast. I am Tim Whitaker. Good to be with you. This is a

fantastic episode. You know, this month of February is Black History Month. And so we are doing a series

on Black Liberation pastors doing amazing work. And the first episode I wanted to do was to bring on my friend,

Dr. Adam Clark, who is someone who teaches black theology. What is black theology? What is

Black liberation theology? Who is James Cohn? I want to give you all this primer to kind of set up

the next few weeks of guests that we're going to have on the show. This is such an

informative episode that is so relevant more than ever today. So thank you so much for tuning in.

It Means the World. Check it out. Let me know what you think. See you later up.

Dr. Adam Clark, it's good to see you again, my friend. We've done a lot of work together on this show at Theology Beer Camp, and it's always a delight to see you every year at that event. It's good to see you. How are you doing?

I'm doing well. How about yourself? I'm trying to hang in, man. It's some wild times around here, which I know for your expertise and what you teach, you know, this is really

no surprise. But I think for a lot of people, especially us ex-fangelical types, we just

consistently get more and more amazed, if that's even the right word, just at the level of dehumanization

and just intensity that we're seeing, you know, from this administration and everything.

So I'm trying to hang in, frankly.

That's the honest truth.

Yeah, we have to find joy and struggle.

Hmm.

We have to preserve joy and struggle.

I mean, that's part of the black experience, right?

To be able to, I mean, what happens is that struggle is just not a reaction to something. It's a divine

creativity to create new possibilities as well. Right. So in the context of so much organized

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