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Michael Slepion is the Sanford C. Burns scene and company associate professor of leadership

and ethics at Columbia University. A recipient of the Rising Star Award from the Association

for Psychological Science, he is the leading expert on the psychology of secrets.

He has authored more than 50 articles on secrecy, truth and deception and his research has

been covered by The New York Times, The Atlantic, The New Yorker, The Economist, The Wall Street

Journal, and more. And today he's here to chat about his provocative and fascinating new book

titled The Secret Life of Secrets. Our inner worlds shape well-being, relationships, and who we are.

Michael, welcome. Thanks for having me. It is great to have you. I get so many books sent

for pitches for the show. And when I saw your title come across The Secret Life of Secrets,

I really paused and said, wow, now that is a provocative title. Let me open this one up.

And I started reading and you've got a really powerful personal story behind the why of this book

and that call you received from your dad. So let's start there, the why behind The Secret Life

of Secrets. So back in 2013 is when this story takes place. And I had already been studying secrecy

for about a year or two and I was on an interview at Columbia where I was presenting this new research

on secrecy. And this whole day was about presenting this research to the people who would become

my future colleagues. And so that interview went the entire day starting from breakfast

all the way through dinner and drinks afterward. And so I'm having drinks with these folks and

it's like getting close to midnight and I get a call from my dad. And I think that's weird. He

doesn't call me normally out of the blue, let alone around midnight. And so I just, you know,

I don't take the call. I'm still at drinks with these with everyone. And then I got another call,

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