Imagine a world, Jonathan, and I've, you and I probably can't even imagine this.

Imagine a world in which everything we want to do we should do.

And everything we should do is something completely desirable and fulfilling to us.

I can't even live an hour like that here in this fallen world.

But that's what we were made for.

But as the story tells us, when the monster, the serpent

invades the garden, he convinces the woman, he convinces Eve to break a commandment, to violate

her duty. And how does he do it? By insinuations and manipulations that communicate to her,

that fulfilling her duty to stay away from the one

forbidden tree is going is not going to fulfill her desires.

And the scripture even tells us when she looked after the serpent's tense her, when she

looks at the tree and sees that it is desirable to eat and to make one wise.

It is then and only then that she decides to eat.

So that fracture, that fundamental wound of the human soul, I argue in the book, is the division

between duty and desire.

That's when, for the first time in their lives, what they

wanted to do is different from what they ought to do. And that rupture is so traumatic,

so fundamentally disintegrating to us as humans, that we keep replaying that over and over again in our own lives psychologically

and morally. And then we keep telling that story over and over again, which is why I think

every story is divided along that fracture of duty and desire.

Music This is Jonathan Peugeot. She's involved in education.

She's also a podcaster. She recently published a book called The Divided Soul. And I know she sent me the book and I looked over,

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