Because when you forget those little things and they're telling us,

oh man, you had how many concussions?

Your mind can make you spiral down so fast that I've seen it.

I've watched numerous guys go down there and you hope to catch them before, you know,

something bad happens.

And that's really what we have to do as a brotherhood of former players is keep tabs on each other.

And so I try to do that as best I can.

Welcome to episode number 412 of the Jim Rome podcast. I am Jim Rome. And this, of course, is my

original side hustle, you know, the place I come to where I can stretch out, go long

form and have the types of conversations that I simply cannot have on our daily program.

And yes, this episode is another great example of that.

I've run down a former NFL quarterback.

He played 10 years in the league.

He's a member of the College Football Hall of Fame after having an iconic career at Arizona State.

On top of that, he's the co-host of The Cold Tub Podcast and an entrepreneur who co-founded a functional mushroom and supplement company called Umbo.

Of course, I'm talking about Jake Plummer.

It's episode number 412 of the Jim Rollin podcast, and it's coming at you right now.

Jake, my guy, it's been a minute, so I had to run you down. We haven't wrapped. Catch me up,

man. How's everything with you and the fam? Oh, man, life goes fast when you've got kids. You know,

you mark it by end of school year and birthdays and like, holy smokes.

They're fit.

My oldest is turning 16.

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