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I'm here with Scott Barry Kaufman. Scott, thanks for joining me. Sam, it's so great to be here again five years later. Is that what it is, five years? Yeah, we talked like right when the pandemic started.

Right.

Did we know there was a pandemic at the time?

Was it?

Yeah.

And you asked me to make predictions.

What did you predict?

Do you remember anything?

Yeah, okay.

I think something I said is we're going to come out stronger from this we're going to come out of the pandemic and

with a newfound sense of appreciation for life i guess something like that how is that holding up

that prediction um for some people i think that is true and for some people it's far worse but

that's un-pandemic related don't you think you think at the societal level, we're much weaker?

I mean, my sense is that we're much less prepared for the next pandemic than we would

otherwise be socially, politically.

Yeah, in terms of being prepared, yeah, that's a really good point.

But I also think, you know, we sort of forget what it was like to be in the pandemic. I mean, this is like anything. It's like if you get a bad headache, like, all you want is to not have the headache. And you're like, forevermore, the rest of my life, I'll be so appreciative that I don't have the headache. And then five, you know, about 30 seconds after you're recovered, you forgot what it was like to have that. It's not,

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