I learned so much from him, just from the details of the game,

to advantages, the angles on the court, to regions on how to score,

back to the basket, you know, advantage attacks, all those different things.

And I love sharing it with, you know, these up-and-coming rising stars in the game

that's searching for knowledge like I once was.

Dude, how would you describe the blackout sessions? What were those like?

Exactly what it was.

It was blackouts.

Literally?

Like actually?

Working out till you see spots.

Welcome to episode number 410 of the Jim Roll podcast.

This, of course, is the place that I come to stretch out and go long form and run down folks

that maybe I haven't spoken to in a minute or two.

And here we are yet again with another great example of that.

This week's guest played 14 years in the NBA.

He was a member of the 2011 Maverick Squad that won at all, a two-time NBA All-Star,

and the 2002 co-big East Player of the Year while at Yukon.

He's currently a Miami Heat assistant coach, and he has lived an incredible life,

both on and off the floor, as you're about to learn.

I am talking about Tough Juice himself, Karan Butler.

It's episode number 400 and 10

...