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All right, Brett. So we've covered your early years in the church and your, you know,

your meeting Jeff, your decisions to come out, what that was like with your family. And then we've

talked about, you know, sexuality and young adult sexuality. Now I'd like in this third segment

for it to be about marriage and family. So why don't you tell us about, you know, the decision

to get married and first the decision to be in a committed relationship, the decision to get

married and then the decision to have a daughter and and all that that goes into that. That's

what the next hour is about. But, you know, did, did you ever wonder what if I, what if I could love

another man or even a woman like it just seems like I'm trying to imagine marrying the first person

ever, you know, kind of my first girlfriend ever. That probably would have been a disaster.

Yet you kind of married your first boyfriend or girlfriend. So, you know, anyway, talk about

whatever you think is relevant in your story. Well, so I think as I was getting into that I was

explaining initially for at least for Jeff and me, I think the circumstances that we were in

teaching in different cities, living apart for a couple of years, coming out to ourselves and our

families just seemed to put us on a trajectory that seemed to work for us. So after we finished our

two-year commitment to teach for America, we decided we wanted to move to the same city.

So we moved to San Francisco. So this was in 1993. And but at that point, we both were feeling like

we also needed to take it slow. So we didn't move in together. We lived in separate places.

So we felt like let's just move forward a little bit at a time and we'll move to the same place

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