And basically when people say the nature is on, they're thinking more of Malcolm and not Elijah Muhammad.

And people in the nation are becoming jealous against Mel.

Especially people who are members of Elijah Muhammad's family.

And they're feeling that Malcolm may want to try and take over the nation

and step into their hierarchy.

And that becomes problematic.

But also, how much of this is also infiltrated by the FBI,

who has already, we already have a document

that they were surveilling.

We were surveilling Eelajevom at all of his households.

They were following Malcolm during this time when he's organizing the Hartford Mosque, they're

following him. Whenever he holds a meeting mosque they're following him whenever he holds a meeting they're

walking up to people go to the meetings and ask them what was being said in the

means this is all going on at the same time and it's creating this environment of paranoia and distrust,

who you don't know who to trust.

Why are you still building up a nation? Hey there it's Light Watkins your host of at the end of the tunnel and this week

you're in for a very special treat so a few months ago episode 21 to be

precise I ran a little experiment where I brought onto the podcast a Yale

professor and author Dr David Blight to talk to us about the life of Frederick

Douglas which was based on his Pulitzer Prize winning biography called

Prophet of Freedom and I've been eagerly anticipating the next opportunity to share the life story of an historical figure as fascinating as Douglas.

Well recently I got to have a conversation with Tamara Payne who along with her father Less Payne were co-authors of a book called The Dead Art

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