Welcome to Within Reason.

My name is Alex O'Connor.

Justin Briley was for 17 and a half years

the host of Unbelievable, a popular show on Premier Christian radio,

bringing together Christian and non-Christian thinkers for discussion and debate.

It's a show that I've been on a number of times and always had a great time doing so.

He joins me today to talk about his upcoming book, The Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God, why new atheism

grew old and secular thinkers are considering Christianity again. Justin Briley, thanks for being here.

Thank you for having me, Alex.

It's great to have you back.

You recently stopped.

I mean, you've been hosting this absolutely classic this classic of philosophy of religion and debate

within sort of the Christian atheist debate sphere, the unbelievable show.

For how long, how long were you hosting this?

I was hosting it for 17 and a half years or 17 and a half years and just recently

you decided to stop.

I did.

And I'm wondering why, why did you do this to us why because of your

new found Tik-Tok thing did you think I don't need to do this anymore I'm not exactly

but an online influencer now tick-tock fun, but it doesn't really pay the bills.

No, I, yeah, I'd been hosting the show for a long time,

and well, I guess the point came where I felt like I was ready for a new challenge.

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