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41: Joshua Baker: I'm Not a Monster (BBC/PBS)

heretics. | andrew gold

Andrew Gold

Personal Journals, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.4968 Ratings

🗓️ 22 February 2021

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Joshua Baker is simply one of the most impressive journalists out there working today. -- Join me on Discord Chat Room, free and you don't need to sign up, just follow this link at 8pm GMT on Thursday 25th Feb 2021: https://discord.gg/RWH7fs6ygb -- You may know him for his current podcast series with the BBC, I’m Not a Monster, or his related documentary Return from ISIS. The two follow his attempts to track down and understand Samantha, the woman who took her family to live with ISIS in Syria. If you’ve not yet listened to I’m Not a Monster, do give it a go, it’s incredible from the start. Listening to the first episode, I was walking in the snow in Berlin and it was -15C, and I stayed out longer in such extreme conditions, so I could reach the end of the first episode, that’s how riveting it is. Joshua Links I'm not a Monster Podcast: https://podfollow.com/1540251892 https://www.instagram.com/joshbakerfilm https://www.twitter.com/joshbakerfilm Andrew Links http://twitter.com/andrewgold_ok http://instagram.com/andrewgold_ok http://youtube.com/andrewgold1 http://patreon.com/andrewgold http://andrewgoldpodcast.com It begins by explaining minute by minute what it was like for Joshua to be attacked and bombed by ISIS, fracturing his back in an explosion that destroyed that left nothing of an entire street. Then, we hear audio footage of a young American boy being taught to assemble and use a suicide bomb. The kid explains how he would lure American soldiers by asking for help, before pulling the string. Now, I didn’t want to go into too much detail, because I want you to be able to listen to this full podcast without real spoilers, and to be able to then fully enjoy I’m Not a Monster afterwards. I was fascinated by Joshua from a journalistic point of view, because the one thing I always said was that I’ll do anything, and I’ve done stuff over the years in dangerous places – but I would never go near ISIS or anyone who might behead me. It’s just not worth the gain, so we talk a lot in this one about his experience literally being blown up by ISIS and surviving by the skin of his teeth – and then what it means to be doing this kind of journalism. That said, we do talk a bit towards end about the characters in the series, so I’ll give you a little run down without any spoilers, all stuff you know from the beginning of episode one. Sam is an American mother who took her kids to Syria, and wants to come back. She claims she was tricked into going there by her husband Moussa, but Joshua doesn’t entirely trust her, as her story doesn’t always check out. Joshua does track down a woman called Tsuad who was bought as a slave by Sam and Moussa during their time in Syria – and Tsuad speaks nicely about Sam, so I ask Joshua about that at the end. There is about nine minutes of bonus chat in this episode for patrons – get that on patreon.com/andrewgold. I’ll try to get Josh to come to my weekly Discord chat room event, they’ve been great so far – just find the link in the show notes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

So I literally grab my camera, don't have time to put my vest back on it, and I'm running down the corridor and then I hear this truck.

0:08.0

ISIS had taken off very large truck and stuffed it for off explosives and it was too big to get down the street and it was reversing back and forth, back and forth,

0:16.0

back and forth, and eventually it got down the street and it detonated right outside our house.

0:20.4

So I remember going down this corridor and being thrown through the air and then just being basically like partially buried under a collapsing house.

0:27.5

I remember the brick slamming into the back of my head and it got to the point of pain where it's like this literally can't hurt anymore.

0:34.0

What I didn't realize is there was shrapnel going under my scalp.

0:38.0

The truly special guests just keep on coming.

0:42.0

I'm so delighted with the types of fascinating people

0:44.8

that have agreed to come on the show of late and this week is no exception with Joshua Baker

0:50.6

who is simply one of the most impressive journalists out there working today.

0:55.5

You may know him from his current podcast series with the BBC, I'm not a monster, or his

1:00.7

related documentary, Returned from ISIS.

1:04.0

The two follow his attempts to track down and understand Samantha,

1:08.0

the woman who took her family to live with ISIS in Syria.

1:12.0

If you've not yet listened to I not a monster, do give it a go. It's

1:16.0

incredible from the start. I remember listening to the first episode just a month or so ago and

1:21.5

I was walking in the snow in Berlin and it was minus 15 degrees and I stayed

1:26.0

out longer in such extreme conditions, freezing, just so I could reach the end of the first episode.

1:32.1

That's how riveting it is. It begins by explaining

1:35.2

minute by minute what it was like for Joshua to be attacked and bombed by ISIS, fracturing

1:40.6

his back in an explosion that left nothing of an entire street

1:44.5

and tore down the entire house in which he was temporarily residing.

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