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People I (Mostly) Admire

41. Dr. Bapu Jena on Why Freakonomics Is the Best Medicine

People I (Mostly) Admire

Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Society & Culture

4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 21 August 2021

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

He’s a Harvard physician and economist who just started a third job: host of the new podcast Freakonomics, M.D. He’s also Steve’s former student. The two discuss why medicine should embrace econ-style research, the ethics of human-challenge trials, and Bapu’s role in one of Steve’s, ahem, less-than-successful experiments.

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0:00.0

My guest today, Papu Jenna, is a medical doctor, he's a PhD economist, and he's unbelievably

0:12.4

creative.

0:13.4

What happens when you mix those three things together?

0:16.1

You get someone who's finding ways to answer important questions that no one else can.

0:20.2

And the good news is, if you like what you hear today, he's got a brand new podcast

0:23.9

on the Freakonomics Radio Network called Freakonomics MD.

0:31.2

Welcome to People I Mostly Admire, with Steve Levitt.

0:38.0

I first met Papu when he took one of my classes as a second year PhD student at the University

0:43.2

of Chicago.

0:44.2

He was obvious to me that Papu had a men's talent, one of the most special students

0:48.4

of time.

0:49.4

But I also thought he must be a little bit crazy, who does an economics PhD in an MD simultaneously.

0:56.7

But I've always liked people who are a little crazy, so I did what I could to help him out

1:00.2

while he was a student, and I've kept an eye on his progress since then.

1:03.8

And wow, even I've been amazed at what he's done.

1:07.4

More or less single-handedly bringing Freakonomics style approaches into the mainstream of medicine.

1:12.1

A couple of months ago, I read a story in the New York Times about how some researchers

1:22.1

had used the timing of birthdays to learn about the transmission of COVID.

1:27.0

And I thought, wow, what a brilliant idea.

1:30.2

And then I read a few paragraphs further, and there was a quote from you, Papu.

1:34.2

And I said, of course, it had to be Papu, no one else in medicine thinks this way.

1:38.5

So that's a pretty high compliment.

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