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People I (Mostly) Admire

40. Harold Pollack on Why Managing Your Money Is as Easy as Taking Out the Garbage

People I (Mostly) Admire

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Society & Culture

4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 14 August 2021

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

He argues that personal finance is so simple all you need to know can fit on an index card. How will he deal with Steve’s suggestion that Harold’s nine rules for managing money are overly complicated? Harold and Steve also talk about gun violence — a topic Harold researches as a public-policy professor at the University of Chicago — and they propose some radical ideas for reducing it.

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0:00.0

A quick note before we start the show, I just want to offer my hearty congratulations to

0:07.3

our former guest, Mayan Biallik, who is recently named one of the new hosts of the TV Game

0:12.1

Show, Jeopardy. You can find her episode along with a separate episode featuring Jeopardy

0:16.9

Champion Ken Jennings in our archive. Now, on with the show.

0:24.2

Financial advisors charge their clients more than $1 trillion in fees each year.

0:29.4

That's trillion with a T. But my guest today, Harold Pollock says,

0:33.8

everything you need to know to manage your own money fits on an index card.

0:37.6

Can it really be the case that a trillion dollar industry is adding essentially no value?

0:43.9

Welcome to people I mostly admire with Steve Levitt.

0:52.7

Harold Pollock is the last person you would expect to be leading the charge against the

0:57.2

wealth management industry. A soft spoken public policy professor, his research is about

1:02.1

healthcare and crime, not finance. He's just a regular guy who through a series of unlikely

1:07.9

events has become the spokesman for taking back control of your own portfolio. Deciding

1:13.8

not to hire a money manager or to fire the one you already have might turn out to be the single

1:18.8

most important financial decision you ever make. Let's see whether Harold can convince you

1:24.0

that it's a good idea.

1:32.0

So do you still have the lazy boy recliner that launched you on your path to being a personal

1:37.1

finance guru? I do. It turned out to be a good investment. It was extremely expensive,

1:41.2

but it's still in our house doing its thing. Okay, so what does that share have to do with anything?

1:46.4

I basically never paid any attention to personal finance at all until I was age 40.

1:52.7

Let me stop you, Harold, because you're a public policy PhD. You're a professor at the University

1:57.7

of Chicago. How did you get to the age of 40 without understanding how to manage your own money?

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