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Real Talk with Zuby

#407 Carlos 'Ocelote' Rodriguez - Esports, Belief & Refusing to Apologise

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Zuby

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4.81.2K Ratings

🗓️ 20 March 2026

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Zuby sits down with entrepreneur, esports pioneer, and holistic performance coach Carlos Rodriguez (aka Ocelote) to discuss gaming, spirituality, cancel culture, and the power of belief. The two discuss his journey from being one of the world's best competitive gamers to building the largest company in esports, the viral 2022 controversy that led to him stepping down as CEO of G2 Esports, and why refusing to apologise was the best decision he ever made. They also discuss belief systems, quantum reality, the cost of pure materialism, creation over consumption, and why so many people are trapped in victim mentality.


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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(00:33) From esports prodigy to founder

(05:00) Dropping out at 15 & family pressure

(07:23) Purpose, exceptionalism & competitive mindset

(10:00) Spirituality, quantum reality & belief systems

(21:17) Religion, mythology & shared narratives

(26:38) The controversy that changed everything

(34:07) Standing alone & refusing to apologise

(38:14) Cancel culture, courage & cowardice

(45:00) Your environment shapes your output

(50:04) Stop consuming. Start creating.

(55:01) Victim mindset vs personal responsibility

(57:26) What Carlos is building now

(01:01:43) Owning your audience & escaping the system

(01:04:01) Outro



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Transcript

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0:00.0

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Real Talk with Zubi podcast.

0:04.0

Today we are in studio here in Dubai and I am with entrepreneur and the King of Gaming.

0:10.0

Carlos Rodriguez, welcome to the show.

0:12.0

Thank you very much for having me.

0:14.0

Awesome, Carlos. I know who you are, but for my listeners who are not familiar with you and your background,

0:19.0

please introduce yourself. So like you said, they do like to call me the king of gaming.

0:23.8

That means I was in the industry of video games for a long time, yeah?

0:26.9

I'm 35 now. I was there since I'm 15, so first a professional player was one of the best

0:31.2

first players to get paid, to pay professionally.

0:34.0

And then I built the largest company in esports, which is competitive video games.

0:39.0

I still own it to this day, But since about four years ago, I devoted literally all my time and effort and focus into

0:45.6

education, actually, which is really my purpose, to teach those that want to learn.

0:51.4

Awesome.

0:52.4

Well, crazily enough, I think I first got to know you not through

0:56.6

the world of gaming, but actually through the quote unquote cancellation. Oh, yes. And it was one of

1:06.0

those weird ones where an incident happens and then I kind of I'm tracing backwards to work out what is even

1:13.4

going on here. But before we get into the details of that, because I do want to talk about it,

1:19.0

but before we get into that, tell me how you got into gaming in your teens and doing it professionally.

1:24.5

You know, I've always been competitive. I always played football. I always did

1:28.4

like judo, swimming, paddle, stuff like this, you know, in Spain. Paddle is a national sport,

1:34.8

as you might know. And yeah, the moment I realized that you could just click two buttons and

1:42.1

play competitively against anybody around the world, that felt very interesting

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