The Hello everyone. I had the opportunity to speak to Brett Johnson and Brett well Brett had a rough life and let him dark places and he spent a lot of time setting up and running the darker edges of the web and for many years and facilitating the development. the

darker edges of the web and for many years and facilitating the development of online

criminality and that's become a real scourge in our society and that all changed

about six years ago when he decided that he was going to work on the positive side of the universe for a while and so we spent a good amount of time walking through his bio and talking about how he got involved in Shadow Crew, say, from 2002 to 2004.

It was an early consortium of online criminals devoted to the sales of illegal goods, drugs, guns, identities and

information and so forth and we walk through all that and then the

mechanics of his decision to stop and to start working with law enforcement agencies and so forth and with

corporations and to inform the general public about the dangers of online crime and about

how to protect yourself and well about

the realities that faces as we professionalize and organized criminality at the same

rate that we're doing with everything else using this amazing technology that's at our at our fingertips.

So welcome aboard. It's going to be quite the ride. I've been studying this array of personality traits.

It's going to be a long question, but it'll get us right into what we want to talk about today.

Known as the Dark Tetrad.

Now, the Dark Tetrad is a group of descriptors

of personality that are negative.

And they emerged as an object of investigation

for two reasons.

One reason was that there was this gentleman named Dr. Robert Hare, who worked at the University of British Columbia, and he was the first psychologist who studied psychopaths and he interviewed a lot of

psychopaths in prison hundreds of them and developed a questionnaire measurement a set of measurements essentially that help determine what the personality characteristics

were of people who were likely to become long-term unrepentant career criminals.

And his students started to study that psychopathy, let's say.

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