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blemish free. So get a new board, save 15% on surfboard accessories. Realwatersports.com. What qualifies as surf content nowadays? Who's making it? And is there a known path to make a living doing it?

The WSL shuttered WSL studios earlier this month, so if they can't figure it out, who can?

Accessible technology has made it easier than ever to make content independently. But again, even if you make

something great, how do you find an audience for that content or even more complicated, a paycheck?

It seems that even our surf filmmaking heroes, Taylor Steel, Kai Neville, Dana Brown, they're all

making a living outside of surf films at this point.

And yet, 100-foot wave, perhaps the most successful surf documentary in recent memory,

was directed by a guy named Chris Smith, a non-surfer.

And that, by the way, has been renewed for season two on HBO.

So it's a complicated path.

And today's guest is someone who sits right at the nexus of this space as the head

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