From RelayFM, this is Upgrade episode 405.

Today's show is brought to you by Electric, Text Expander, and Trade.

My name is Mike Hurley and I'm joined by Jason Snow, hi Jason.

I'm Mike.

Oh, how?

Well, I mean, for on a first name basis here, it's very friendly, you know, it's a podcast

where we can do it.

You sounded quite trepidacious to me.

I think, well, you, you know, you just, you just said my first name, so I, I wanted

to counter.

And it's just it got all personal in here is what I'm saying, you know, and what better

for a podcast?

Are you saying I need to call you Jason Snow now?

Mr. Jason Snow?

No, I don't.

I don't.

I, I, um, just let's get tangential here before we even do the snow talk question, which

is I just want to point out that, that in the ATP show notes last week, they referred

to Stephen Hackett as Stephen.

They referred to me as snow and they referred to John Gruber as John Gruber.

And I don't understand what's happening over there.

That's interesting.

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