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4:13 Podcast with Jennifer Rothschild

#405: Can I Determine if I'm Kinda Judgy? With Shannon Popkin

4:13 Podcast with Jennifer Rothschild

Jennifer Rothschild

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.91.2K Ratings

🗓️ 4 June 2026

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Have you ever caught yourself being a little… judgy? It's no secret—judgment is everywhere these days, even in the church. But aren't we also supposed to use good judgment?

It's tricky, right? Well today, you're going to get biblical clarity on how to use good judgment without being judgmental.

Shannon Popkin is back on the podcast to help you understand the difference between healthy discernment and being kinda judgy. You'll learn what Jesus actually meant in Matthew 7 when He said, "Judge not," how personal convictions can get in the way of judging rightly, and what it looks like to speak truth with compassion rather than condemnation.

Plus, since not every issue is black and white, Shannon shares some practical ways to keep humility and God's grace at the center of it all.

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0:00.0

When we kind of enjoy the fact that other people have fallen short, we're like, we get these little judgy boosts of pride.

0:09.2

When we point out the ways that other people have fallen short, and we're like almost enjoying something that God grieves over.

0:16.9

We're enjoying the fact that they have fallen short.

0:19.4

And so, you know, we need to hold fast

0:23.8

to God's lines between right and wrong. But there's, but we are wrongly judging when we enjoy

0:30.0

the ways that other people have fallen short.

0:40.6

Judgment is everywhere, including in the church.

0:46.3

We Christians, we are both judged and judgmental sometimes. And the Bible shows us when it's right and when it's not.

0:50.9

So on today's episode, author and Bible teacher and popcaster, Shannon Popkin is going to help

0:56.9

you discern well, melt judgy pride, and become more merciful. So let's trade condemnation

1:04.0

for compassion and get started. Welcome to the 413 podcast, where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you up to live the I-Can life, because you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

1:21.0

Now, welcome your host, Jennifer Rothschild.

1:24.1

Hey, friends, that was Casey Wright. My seeing eye guy. It's two friends, one topic and zero stress here in the

1:29.8

podcast closet, under the stairs. Under the stairs. That's where we are coming to you. We're so glad you

1:38.4

here today. If you've been hanging out with us for a while, you know the 413 is all about practical

1:43.6

encouragement and biblical wisdom. That's why we're here because we want you to know. been hanging out with us for a while. You know the 413 is all about practical encouragement

1:44.3

and biblical wisdom. That's why we're here because we want you to know that through Christ

1:49.4

you are capable of being and doing exactly what God has called you to do and being who he's called

1:55.8

you to be. So today we're talking about judgment and being judgmental being kind of judgy and sadly when I

2:04.6

asked Casey before we started boy is this a topic for you and he's like yeah yeah oh yeah I've got a

2:11.8

childhood friend who recently popped into my church and I overheard a conversation from some little, can I say it, judge you butts?

2:23.6

Can I say that?

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