So, Carl, I'm Doug Kameen.

I'm one of the co-hosts of the You've Been Heard IT Leadership Podcast.

Welcome to the podcast.

And thank you for joining us this morning.

Sure.

Glad to be here.

So, Carl, we've got the title here, vendor sales to

CIO. Your background is not coming up through the IT chain. Recently, you've been in the IT

site. So tell us a little bit about your history and how you got to now. I've been in the

technology space, my whole career, but from the other side. And this probably leads to one of

the questions that people typically like to come around to. I thought it was sort of the bottom of

your list, which is tell us about your first computer, which is probably a really good starting point for

me is. So I went to college in the mid late 80s, even worse. And And I was in business school trying to figure out what I'm going to do.

I'm going to get a business degree, and then I have no clue what I'm going to do.

And the school of business that I was at, hold a small group of students aside and said,

here's a personal computer.

And you get to use this while you're in school.

And if you graduate, you get to keep it.

If you don't graduate, you got to give it back.

Now, this wasn't any computer.

This was a clone IBM AT with two floppy drives, no hard drive, and a green screen

monitor. Yeah. And it was an hard drive, and a green screen monitor.

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